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Older workers often face discrimination in the work place from hiring managers who think they won’t fit it with the culture or don’t have the modern skills needed to do the job right and do the job quickly.

We need to dispel those outdated, preconceived notions. How do we do that? Paul Irving, chairman of the Milken Institute Center for the Future of Aging, and Gary Officer, president and CEO of Center for Workforce Inclusion, have some pretty sound advice.

Listen to their conversation with WorkingNation editor-in-chief Ramona Schindelheim in this Work in Progress podcast for our new digital magazine Inquire Within.